Christmas ‘05

Yes, I know I despise Christ­mas; you don’t have to remind me of that.

No, I haven’t for­got­ten it… Really.

I am sur­round­ed on all sides by peo­ple who real­ly, real­ly like Christ­mas. So, I reduce my field of view to them and gifts (I’ve got a lot­ta child in me yet) to the exclu­sion of lame dec­o­ra­tions and whatnot.

Any­way, it seems as though Christ­mas cel­e­bra­tions are get­ting bet­ter as I get old­er, even with a decrease in presents received. You know what that means? I’m matur­ing! (It’s nice to have con­fir­ma­tion of that every once and a while.)

I got a load of good stuff this year as well; I won’t waste your time on all the details because we both know you don’t care. So… Hap­py Mon­day every­body. Until next time!

10 thoughts on “Christmas ‘05”

  1. Rick,

    Well, well, well… there just maybe some hope for you yet. So let me get this straght, you wrote against Chris­tians having
    Christ­mas trees in their home, female angels, Christ­mas in gen­er­al, Church­es that have Christ­mas pro­grams, San­ta in
    par­tic­u­lar (San­ta hang­ing from a tree!),for the past month and now we see that you enjoyed your Christ­mas and think Christmas
    cel­e­bra­tions are get­ting bet­ter as you get old­er. Yes you are maturing.

    It is entire­ly with­in the realm of bib­li­cal Chris­tian­i­ty to
    cel­e­brate Christ­mas which
    when done with­in a home that is decide­ly Chris­t­ian, can include a Christ­mas tree with orna­ments that speak of the birth
    of the Sav­ior ect, to attend Church ser­vices with Christ­mas pro­grams, and give gifts to one anoth­er and tie it all together
    with the thread of Chris­t­ian love, which is embod­ied in the won­der­ous gift God the Father send to the world, in that God
    became flesh so that men can be saved from their sins. That’s what its all about. Cel­e­brate that!

    {{{Can­dle­man}}}

  2. PS… Do you know why when some­one leaves a post on your blog the sen­tences keep going off the page to the right to where you can’t see what your writ­ing for about 5–6 word and then it wrapped around to the sec­ond line?

    {{{Can­dle­man}}}

  3. Can­dle­man, no, there is not hope for me yet. I still think the entire thing is pagan and ridicu­lous, hence why I had my “blind­ers” on while enjoy­ing the things which were biblical–the giv­ing of gifts, the fel­low­ship of fam­i­ly and friends, expres­sions of love, etc.

    The day of “Christ­mas” itself is a per­ver­sion of a pagan hol­i­day, “recre­at­ed” by the Roman Catholic Church. That Protes­tants cel­e­brate it at all is insane. And it isn’t just me; the great­est preach­ers of the past have spo­ken out against it as well, such as Spur­geon (who I quot­ed in a pre­vi­ous post).

    You can­not wor­ship God in spir­it and in truth if the truth you’re using has as its foun­da­tion lies. So yes, any church which acknowl­edged and cel­e­brat­ed Christ­mas in any way did *not* wor­ship God in the slight­est if “in spir­it and in truth” is true. You can­not have it both ways. God is not a God of com­pro­mise, espe­cial­ly with pagan prac­tices of old.

    So, no, I am not “matur­ing” to a luke­warm Chris­t­ian belief sys­tem. Rather, I am enjoy­ing Christ­mas cel­e­bra­tions more because as I get old­er I find it eas­i­er to ignore the super­flu­ous satanism that every­one lauds while enjoy­ing those things which aren’t wrong. Fur­ther, I am find­ing I am con­tent with less stuff (which I nev­er was when I was younger), and would be hap­py to not receive any­thing at all. Elim­i­nate the gift-giv­ing aspect, and Christ­mas would fade as sim­ply a glo­ri­fied fam­i­ly reunion in the name of San­ta Claus.

    And seri­ous­ly, you think Christ­mas has any­thing to do with Christ’s birth? Even the apos­tles did­n’t even cel­e­brate that, nor does the gospel (recount­ed in 1 Corinthi­ans 15 as the death, bur­ial and res­ur­rec­tion of Christ) include the birth! The world would rather their God be a baby than a con­quer­ing, sword-wield­ing, serve-Him-or-die Lord and Sav­ior. And Chris­tians hap­less­ly fol­low suit and cel­e­brate with the biggest cel­e­bra­tion of the year part of Christ’s life which is unas­sum­ing, unthreat­en­ing, and alto­geth­er “nice.” Why not cre­ate a hol­i­day around the fact that He will have killed mil­lions who will not accept His rule? Why not cre­ate a hol­i­day in antic­i­pa­tion of His com­ing with His saints to con­quer? Why not cre­ate a hol­i­day to cel­e­brate His perserver­ance in resist­ing Satan?

    Why the birth? And why on a day cho­sen by the pagan branch of Christendom?

    Christ­mas does not make sense. If you call it bib­li­cal, then your under­stand­ing of the Bible is sore­ly lacking.

  4. Can­dle­man, no, there is not hope for me yet. I still think the entire thing is pagan and ridicu­lous, hence why I had my “blind­ers” on while enjoy­ing the things which were biblical–the giv­ing of gifts, the fel­low­ship of fam­i­ly and friends, expres­sions of love, etc.

    The day of “Christ­mas” itself is a per­ver­sion of a pagan hol­i­day, “recre­at­ed” by the Roman Catholic Church. That Protes­tants cel­e­brate it at all is insane. And it isn’t just me; the great­est preach­ers of the past have spo­ken out against it as well, such as Spur­geon (who I quot­ed in a pre­vi­ous post).

    You can­not wor­ship God in spir­it and in truth if the truth you’re using has as its foun­da­tion lies. So yes, any church which acknowl­edged and cel­e­brat­ed Christ­mas in any way did *not* wor­ship God in the slight­est if “in spir­it and in truth” is true. You can­not have it both ways. God is not a God of com­pro­mise, espe­cial­ly with pagan prac­tices of old.

    So, no, I am not “matur­ing” to a luke­warm Chris­t­ian belief sys­tem. Rather, I am enjoy­ing Christ­mas cel­e­bra­tions more because as I get old­er I find it eas­i­er to ignore the super­flu­ous satanism that every­one lauds while enjoy­ing those things which aren’t wrong. Fur­ther, I am find­ing I am con­tent with less stuff (which I nev­er was when I was younger), and would be hap­py to not receive any­thing at all. Elim­i­nate the gift-giv­ing aspect, and Christ­mas would fade as sim­ply a glo­ri­fied fam­i­ly reunion in the name of San­ta Claus.

    And seri­ous­ly, you think Christ­mas has any­thing to do with Christ’s birth? Even the apos­tles did­n’t even cel­e­brate that, nor does the gospel (recount­ed in 1 Corinthi­ans 15 as the death, bur­ial and res­ur­rec­tion of Christ) include the birth! The world would rather their God be a baby than a con­quer­ing, sword-wield­ing, serve-Him-or-die Lord and Sav­ior. And Chris­tians hap­less­ly fol­low suit and cel­e­brate with the biggest cel­e­bra­tion of the year part of Christ’s life which is unas­sum­ing, unthreat­en­ing, and alto­geth­er “nice.” Why not cre­ate a hol­i­day around the fact that He will have killed mil­lions who will not accept His rule? Why not cre­ate a hol­i­day in antic­i­pa­tion of His com­ing with His saints to con­quer? Why not cre­ate a hol­i­day to cel­e­brate His perserver­ance in resist­ing Satan?

    Why the birth? And why on a day cho­sen by the pagan branch of Christendom?

    Christ­mas does not make sense. If you call it bib­li­cal, then your under­stand­ing of the Bible is sore­ly lacking.

  5. You say: “So yes, any church which acknowl­edged and cel­e­brat­ed Christ­mas in any way did *not* wor­ship God in the slight­est if “in spir­it and in truthâ€? is true.”

    What do you define as a church that is cel­e­brat­ing Christ­mas? A Christ­mas Eve ser­vice? Singing Christ­mas Hymns? Read­ing of the birth sto­ry? A Christ­mas tree in the sanc­tu­ary? The preach­ing of Luke 1 & 2???

    {{{Can­dle­man}}}

  6. No, noth­ing wrong with preach­ing the whole coun­sel of God, includ­ing the birth account. I do find it odd that church­es allow the world sys­tem to deter­mine when ser­mons are to be preached (i.e., res­ur­rec­tion accounts on the pagan fest of Ishtar, birth accounts on the pagan fest of win­ter, etc.).

    Frankly, I would think that the best thing to preach dur­ing any­time when a large group of “non-reg­u­lars” would be attend­ing would be the sim­ple gospel and sal­va­tion there­by. As has been point­ed out, the gospel does not include the birth; it includes our sin and the fact that Jesus died, was buried, and rose again to pro­vide sal­va­tion for us.

    At least the Ishtar theme encom­pass­es a third of the pri­ma­ry points which con­sti­tute the gospel of Jesus Christ.

    Any­way…

    I am not say­ing peo­ple can­not cel­e­brate or hold as spe­cial any day they choose. Peo­ple are with­in their lib­er­ty to do so.

    How­ev­er, not all things are expe­di­ent, and to cel­e­brate pagan fes­ti­vals using pagan tra­di­tions cre­at­ed by the pagan Roman Catholic Church, it is impos­si­ble to wor­ship God, for the wor­ship is not done *in truth.*

  7. No, noth­ing wrong with preach­ing the whole coun­sel of God, includ­ing the birth account. I do find it odd that church­es allow the world sys­tem to deter­mine when ser­mons are to be preached (i.e., res­ur­rec­tion accounts on the pagan fest of Ishtar, birth accounts on the pagan fest of win­ter, etc.).

    Frankly, I would think that the best thing to preach dur­ing any­time when a large group of “non-reg­u­lars” would be attend­ing would be the sim­ple gospel and sal­va­tion there­by. As has been point­ed out, the gospel does not include the birth; it includes our sin and the fact that Jesus died, was buried, and rose again to pro­vide sal­va­tion for us.

    At least the Ishtar theme encom­pass­es a third of the pri­ma­ry points which con­sti­tute the gospel of Jesus Christ.

    Any­way…

    I am not say­ing peo­ple can­not cel­e­brate or hold as spe­cial any day they choose. Peo­ple are with­in their lib­er­ty to do so.

    How­ev­er, not all things are expe­di­ent, and to cel­e­brate pagan fes­ti­vals using pagan tra­di­tions cre­at­ed by the pagan Roman Catholic Church, it is impos­si­ble to wor­ship God, for the wor­ship is not done *in truth.*

  8. Rick,

    I real­ly don’t under­stand your fas­ci­na­tion with find­ing dis­tant pagan fes­ti­vals from cen­turies ago, and equat­ing that to Chris­tians who cel­e­brate Christ­mas in the 2nd mil­len­ni­um. You seem to take hold of any­thing that comes out of the RC church, and state that any church that remote­ly prac­tices any such thing is apos­tate or not wor­ship­ing God in truth.

    Does your church have com­mu­nion? So does the RC church. Is it insane that any Protes­tant Church hold com­mu­nion? I have been at var­i­ous RC church­es for funer­als ect, and refused to par­tic­i­pate in a com­mu­nion ser­vice there because I do not hold to their view what­so­ev­er that the bread and cup become the actu­al body and blood of Christ. But I still par­tic­i­pate in com­mu­nion at my church or anoth­er church that would teach what I believe it to be.

    Like­wise, I real­ly don’t care what some ancient pagan cus­tom you can dig up that held some hedo­nis­tic fes­ti­val in the last month of the year and equate that to a cel­e­bra­tion of the Incar­na­tion of Christ via the Vir­gin Birth, Emmanuel, God with us. I care about how my wife and I and the church we attend choose to cel­e­brate it. With the read­ing of Luke 1 & 2, join­ing togeth­er is the singing of Christ­mas Hymns and Songs that speak of the birth of Christ. About the preach­ing of the Word and yes, the pre­sen­ta­tion of the Gospel. And your asser­tion that the Gospel does not includ­ed the birth of Christ is ridicu­lous, that’s were the Gospel begins. It is just your hatred of any­thing Christ­mas that would make you say such a thing.

    Last­ly, my Chris­tian­i­ty is nei­ther luke­warm, satan­ic nor is my under­stand­ing of the Bible “sore­ly lack­ingâ€? because the church I wor­ship at cel­e­brates Christ­mas as we do as a fam­i­ly with­in our home. For you to sug­gest such is real­ly silly.
    {{{Can­dle­man}}}

  9. I real­ly don’t under­stand your fas­ci­na­tion with find­ing dis­tant pagan fes­ti­vals from cen­turies ago, and equat­ing that to Chris­tians who cel­e­brate Christ­mas in the 2nd millennium.

    It’s not a mat­ter of “find­ing them.” It’s com­mon knowl­edge. Oth­er hol­i­days, such as Hal­loween, came about the same way: a sup­posed Chris­ten­ing of pagan fes­ti­vals by the Roman Catholic Church to ease the con­ver­sion of the pagans.

    You seem to take hold of any­thing that comes out of the RC church, and state that any church that remote­ly prac­tices any such thing is apos­tate or not wor­ship­ing God in truth.

    The Roman Catholic Church is knee deep (if not deep­er) in appro­pri­at­ed pagan fes­ti­vals, rit­u­als, etc. It also, for some rea­son, clings to out­dat­ed Jew­ish wor­ship as well (priests, the sac­ri­fice of the mass, etc.).

    Does your church have com­mu­nion? So does the RC church. Is it insane that any Protes­tant Church hold communion?

    The Roman Catholic Church has a mass, which is like a com­mu­nion only more satan­ic in nature (i.e., can­ni­bal­ism, repeat­ed sac­ri­fice, etc.). The Bible insti­tut­ed the obser­vance of the Lord’s Sup­per (or, Com­mu­nion) for the remem­brance of His sac­ri­fice. So, any church that prac­tices it is doing so accord­ing to the Scrip­tures, not the RCC. (Although, I sup­pose it is with­in a church’s right to mess it up by mix­ing it with tra­di­tion and such.)

    I have been at var­i­ous RC church­es for funer­als ect, and refused to par­tic­i­pate in a com­mu­nion ser­vice there because I do not hold to their view what­so­ev­er that the bread and cup become the actu­al body and blood of Christ. But I still par­tic­i­pate in com­mu­nion at my church or anoth­er church that would teach what I believe it to be.

    Then we’re in agree­ment there. :)

    Like­wise, I real­ly don’t care what some ancient pagan cus­tom you can dig up that held some hedo­nis­tic fes­ti­val in the last month of the year and equate that to a cel­e­bra­tion of the Incar­na­tion of Christ via the Vir­gin Birth, Emmanuel, God with us.

    Why cel­e­brate it in Decem­ber? No one did until the RCC decid­ed to say “Oh sure, just sup­plant this pagan feast with our Mass, and all is well.” Protes­tants even­tu­al­ly eager­ly took this tra­di­tion upon them­selves as well, but there were voic­es which cried out against it, such as Spur­geon or (more recent­ly) James Knox and David Cloud.

    It’s prob­a­bly real­ly easy to call me crazy for call­ing Christ­mas pagan; would it be just as easy to tell Spur­geon that? Just wondering.

    I care about how my wife and I and the church we attend choose to cel­e­brate it. With the read­ing of Luke 1 & 2, join­ing togeth­er is the singing of Christ­mas Hymns and Songs that speak of the birth of Christ. About the preach­ing of the Word and yes, the pre­sen­ta­tion of the Gospel. And your asser­tion that the Gospel does not includ­ed the birth of Christ is ridicu­lous, that’s were the Gospel begins. It is just your hatred of any­thing Christ­mas that would make you say such a thing.

    Accord­ing to Paul, there are three essen­tials to the Gospel: the death, bur­ial, and res­ur­rec­tion. Show me where the birth is included.

    And yes, I real­ize that one of the four Gospels begins, “the begin­ning of the gospel of Jesus Christ…” That same Gospel just hap­pens to *not* include the account of His birth as well. Amaz­ing coin­ci­dence, to say the least. The birth was impor­tant to the Jews because the geneal­o­gy of the Mes­si­ah was of upmost impor­tance. How­ev­er, in the “less Jew­ish” Gospels of Mark and John, we do not have a birth account because the Lord, God and Sav­ior Jesus Christ has exist­ed for all eter­ni­ty, and that is what is empha­sized in John.

  10. I real­ly don’t under­stand your fas­ci­na­tion with find­ing dis­tant pagan fes­ti­vals from cen­turies ago, and equat­ing that to Chris­tians who cel­e­brate Christ­mas in the 2nd millennium.

    It’s not a mat­ter of “find­ing them.” It’s com­mon knowl­edge. Oth­er hol­i­days, such as Hal­loween, came about the same way: a sup­posed Chris­ten­ing of pagan fes­ti­vals by the Roman Catholic Church to ease the con­ver­sion of the pagans.

    You seem to take hold of any­thing that comes out of the RC church, and state that any church that remote­ly prac­tices any such thing is apos­tate or not wor­ship­ing God in truth.

    The Roman Catholic Church is knee deep (if not deep­er) in appro­pri­at­ed pagan fes­ti­vals, rit­u­als, etc. It also, for some rea­son, clings to out­dat­ed Jew­ish wor­ship as well (priests, the sac­ri­fice of the mass, etc.).

    Does your church have com­mu­nion? So does the RC church. Is it insane that any Protes­tant Church hold communion?

    The Roman Catholic Church has a mass, which is like a com­mu­nion only more satan­ic in nature (i.e., can­ni­bal­ism, repeat­ed sac­ri­fice, etc.). The Bible insti­tut­ed the obser­vance of the Lord’s Sup­per (or, Com­mu­nion) for the remem­brance of His sac­ri­fice. So, any church that prac­tices it is doing so accord­ing to the Scrip­tures, not the RCC. (Although, I sup­pose it is with­in a church’s right to mess it up by mix­ing it with tra­di­tion and such.)

    I have been at var­i­ous RC church­es for funer­als ect, and refused to par­tic­i­pate in a com­mu­nion ser­vice there because I do not hold to their view what­so­ev­er that the bread and cup become the actu­al body and blood of Christ. But I still par­tic­i­pate in com­mu­nion at my church or anoth­er church that would teach what I believe it to be.

    Then we’re in agree­ment there. :)

    Like­wise, I real­ly don’t care what some ancient pagan cus­tom you can dig up that held some hedo­nis­tic fes­ti­val in the last month of the year and equate that to a cel­e­bra­tion of the Incar­na­tion of Christ via the Vir­gin Birth, Emmanuel, God with us.

    Why cel­e­brate it in Decem­ber? No one did until the RCC decid­ed to say “Oh sure, just sup­plant this pagan feast with our Mass, and all is well.” Protes­tants even­tu­al­ly eager­ly took this tra­di­tion upon them­selves as well, but there were voic­es which cried out against it, such as Spur­geon or (more recent­ly) James Knox and David Cloud.

    It’s prob­a­bly real­ly easy to call me crazy for call­ing Christ­mas pagan; would it be just as easy to tell Spur­geon that? Just wondering.

    I care about how my wife and I and the church we attend choose to cel­e­brate it. With the read­ing of Luke 1 & 2, join­ing togeth­er is the singing of Christ­mas Hymns and Songs that speak of the birth of Christ. About the preach­ing of the Word and yes, the pre­sen­ta­tion of the Gospel. And your asser­tion that the Gospel does not includ­ed the birth of Christ is ridicu­lous, that’s were the Gospel begins. It is just your hatred of any­thing Christ­mas that would make you say such a thing.

    Accord­ing to Paul, there are three essen­tials to the Gospel: the death, bur­ial, and res­ur­rec­tion. Show me where the birth is included.

    And yes, I real­ize that one of the four Gospels begins, “the begin­ning of the gospel of Jesus Christ…” That same Gospel just hap­pens to *not* include the account of His birth as well. Amaz­ing coin­ci­dence, to say the least. The birth was impor­tant to the Jews because the geneal­o­gy of the Mes­si­ah was of upmost impor­tance. How­ev­er, in the “less Jew­ish” Gospels of Mark and John, we do not have a birth account because the Lord, God and Sav­ior Jesus Christ has exist­ed for all eter­ni­ty, and that is what is empha­sized in John.

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