Creation and Evolution, Reconcilable??

I’m wise enough to admit that I am not a sci­en­tist. I haven’t fol­lowed the sci­en­tif­ic method through on any­thing that I can think of since my sev­enth or eighth grade project on the rhodo­den­dron plant, and I’m not even sure if I’m spelling it cor­rect­ly anymore!

But, I’m also wise enough to know that the wis­dom of the world is made fool­ish by that of God. I believe Gen­e­sis 1 just as it is writ­ten, with six days of cre­ative work hap­pen­ing in the order described, in the man­ner described, and in the time described.

I believe that crea­tures were cre­at­ed to repro­duce after their own kind. The Bible begins with this foun­da­tion, and from it we can be assured that man did not have his ori­gin from the beasts of the field, but rather from the cre­ative work and breath of God. 

So what then of evo­lu­tion? Again, I am not a sci­en­tist, nor would I ever accept that evo­lu­tion can account for the ori­gins of all life on earth. The only way land life would have ever formed would be two sea crea­tures evolv­ing into land crea­tures at about the same time and in about the same loca­tion (else they would nev­er find each oth­er to breed, thus dying out after one gen­er­a­tion) and if some form of food had already evolved on land or in shal­low water which exist­ed at the point land life evolved. The odds of all that being “just right” seems absurd to me. Again, I’m not a sci­en­tist, and no, I don’t care to have it explained in detail. As stat­ed, I don’t feel evo­lu­tion is nec­es­sary to explain origins.

But what about since that time? Muta­tions with­in species do hap­pen, and they can be passed along. I saw a pro­gram on Ani­mal Plan­et yes­ter­day which dis­cussed two-head­ed ani­mals and oth­er such muta­tions. The exam­ple was giv­en of a sow which had a genet­ic muta­tion which she passed to her piglets. One was born with two esopho­gi, two snouts, two mouths, and there eyes. It lived for about a year and a half until dying of a lung disease.

We know that muta­tions do hap­pen. That’s evo­lu­tion. That’s genet­ic change over time. Can it cre­ate a new species? I don’t know, but I would­n’t think it is impos­si­ble either. A small change every few thou­sand gen­er­a­tions would mean a very slight change in the kind. But the off­spring would always be quite sim­i­lar to its par­ents, and this would be true down the line. Only by look­ing at the begin­nings and end of such a genet­ic line would one notice a dif­fer­ent, and at no time did any crea­ture not repro­duce after its own kind. The kind sim­ply became some­thing else one minor step at a time.

Sec­ond Peter 3:4ff. speaks of those who mock the com­ing of Christ by claim­ing that every­thing has always gone on as it has now, that no sig­nif­i­cant changes ever take place. Peter calls them will­ful­ly igno­rant of the great flood of the past, which rep­re­sent­ed a sig­nif­i­cant change from the way things had been since cre­ation. Would it not be accu­rate, then, to say that about those who claim that crea­tures can’t, over count­less gen­er­a­tions, become some­thing else if even in the slight­est way, so that they are reg­u­lar­ly dis­tinct from gen­er­a­tions past in at least one notable way? Are they not claim­ing that crea­tures remain the same since God cre­at­ed them, despite the fact we know they evolve and change, if ever so slightly?

Cre­ation­ists use the straw man of micro- vers­es macro-evo­lu­tion, but they fail to real­ize that macro-evo­lu­tion is micro-evo­lu­tion over a longer course of time. It does­n’t nec­es­sar­i­ly require that goo turned into you, but rather that some­time ago a pri­mate exist­ed which, over the course of thou­sands of gen­er­a­tions, has become slight­ly dif­fer­ent, the pri­mates we know today.

It is sig­nif­i­cant that when unbe­liev­ers attempt to rebuke the Bible or to make sense of it, they often make fools of them­selves for they can­not even com­pre­hend what they are reading–it is spir­i­tu­al­ly dis­cerned and their spir­it is dead to the things of the Lord. It seems to me that when Chris­tians attempt to dab­ble in sci­ence, they make fools of them­selves too, and per­haps I am doing a bit of that here. But I pro­pose that there is a mid­dle ground, which accepts the find­ings of evo­lu­tion­ary sci­en­tists in light of what we know to be true from the Scrip­ture. Scrip­ture gives us ori­gins, sci­ence gives us “since then” mate­r­i­al, and we are left to draw the con­clu­sions for ourselves.

Any feed­back any­one can give would be appre­ci­at­ed. But don’t both­er attempt­ing to con­vince me Gen. 1 and 2 are a lie or a metaphor or a myth or what­ev­er else. You’d just be wast­ing your breath. :)

Cred­it for some of the ideas pre­sent­ed here goes to my dad based upon an old page on his now defunct web­site, a soap­box page in which he won­dered why the Cre­ation vs. Evo­lu­tion debate was still rag­ing when it was seem­ing­ly quite easy to rec­on­cile the main issues between them. I’ve giv­en that some con­sid­er­a­tion, and I think he may have been on to some­thing there.

Small edit: Thank you,, for the col­or­ful com­ment which you left. Due to its nature and the nature of Tim­o­th­y’s Bur­den, the com­ment can­not be pub­lished, but I want­ed to let you know I appre­ci­ate the time spent writ­ing it. With love, thanks for reading.

5 thoughts on “Creation and Evolution, Reconcilable??”

  1. For clar­i­fi­ca­tion purposes.…

    My rec­on­cil­i­a­tion is sum­ma­rized most briefly by say­ing that the sci­ences (geol­o­gy, biol­o­gy, do in fact cor­rect­ly inter­pret the evi­dence. This evi­dence is there either because God put it there at the time of cre­ation, or because it was cre­at­ed by process­es since the creation.

    Even if peo­ple are not, in fact, descend­ed from pro­to­plasm, it is only because God chose a much lat­er point in the evo­lu­tion of the plan­et to start from.

    If we are to under­stand the process­es and func­tions of the plan­et, we need to under­stand that one of them is evo­lu­tion. We would be descend­ed from pro­to­plasm if God had cho­sen to cre­ate the world at a point pri­or to or just at the appear­ance of life.

  2. I won­dered whether you still read here or not. :P

    And with that I must dis­agree. It does not seem fea­si­ble that a soul could evolve from that which pos­sessed no soul, or how the spir­it could evolve from return­ing to the earth at death to return­ing to God at death.

    Because these things are non­cor­po­re­al and pret­ty much entire­ly unver­i­fi­able out­side of the wit­ness of the Bible, it is not sur­pris­ing that sci­ence does not offer any expla­na­tion for such things–for tru­ly, it can­not. I accept that–science must be ver­i­fi­able, after all! :)

  3. As you say, those things are non­cor­po­re­al and unver­i­fi­able by science.

    If God had cho­sen to cre­ate at the big bang, for exam­ple, then a being with­out a soul would evolve into the being with a soul at the touch of God. Sci­ence is blind to this.

    But the larg­er point is, that evo­lu­tion is how the bio­log­i­cal world works. Even if God cre­at­ed the world and man six thou­sand years ago, evo­lu­tion is how the bio­log­i­cal world changes. If one wants to under­stand the present and future bio­log­i­cal world, one needs to exam­ine it in the light of evolution.

  4. Well stat­ed, and with that, I think I can agree.

    And in light of anoth­er com­ment which my fil­ter thank­ful­ly blocked, thank you for remain­ing calm, cool, and collected. :)

  5. I agree with MUCH of what you say, but not quite everything. :)

    We know that muta­tions do hap­pen. That’s evo­lu­tion. That’s genet­ic change over time.

    It’s actu­al­ly not change. Cer­tain­ly it’s change (as in the exam­ple of the pig) of what’s nor­mal. Pigs don’t nor­mal­ly have an extra head, if it does, you might want to move. If that’s what you mean by change, then yes, I agree, that is what’s happening.

    But the kind of change that macro-evo­lu­tion demands is change of types. A pig isn’t going to sprout wings and fly. (they used to fly though, foot­balls used to be made of pig’s skin) That’s the kind of change that macro-evo­lu­tion. That’s a new kind of animal.

    A pig sprout­ing a head is not any new infor­ma­tion added.

    Cre­ation­ists use the straw man of micro- vers­es macro-evo­lu­tion, but they fail to real­ize that macro-evo­lu­tion is micro-evo­lu­tion over a longer course of time.

    Micro-evo­lu­tion is a small change in a species. For instance, a dog chang­ing into a wolf. Gen­e­sis 1:24 says that ani­mals pro­duce accord­ing to their kind. So a dog and a wolf (cor­rect me if I’m wrong) can have a baby wog or dolf. There­fore they are the same kind (or type) of animal.

    Macro-evo­lu­tion is a large change in a species. For instance a dog becom­ing a bar­racu­da. (Not propos­ing that that’s the actu­al order that any­one would sug­gest, it’s just an exam­ple) A dog that had a bar­racu­da baby would be an instance of (sud­den) macro-evo­lu­tion. That’s com­plete­ly new infor­ma­tion in the DNA. No mat­ter how much mico-evo­lu­tion occurs you can’t make a dog turn into a barracuda.

    I think we agree on the basics (Lit­er­al six day cre­ation, the Bible being absolute­ly 100% true) so a dis­agree­ment in this is not only okay, but healthy. :) I have no qualms, just want­ed to offer my two cents.

    I give you my full per­mis­sion to make fun of any gram­mar or spelling errors I have com­mit­ted. I would do the same to you. :)

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