Yes, Jesus Is Still Lord.

Appar­ent­ly not only the lost have a prob­lem with truth, so do some Chris­tians, as evi­denced by a post on Pried Loose.

The post in ques­tion is titled “jesus is still lord? real­ly?” I find it easy enough to read that one of two ways: Either sar­cas­ti­cal­ly (i.e., “Of course Jesus is still Lord.”) or doubt­ful­ly (“Jesus? Lord? Huh??”).

Either way, no fol­low­er of Jesus who has been born anew by His Spir­it would ques­tion (even sar­cas­ti­cal­ly) that He is Lord. We are told to fear Him who can destroy the soul (i.e., Jesus), and His sov­er­eign­ty is not some­thing which any­one should make fun of, even light­ly. He is not the King of Id, unwit­ting­ly being made the butt of many jokes; He is Sov­er­eign, and one day all will give account for every word spo­ken against Him. (And no, I don’t mean this to be a cri­tique of the title or arti­cle in ques­tion; but I’m sure some­one will take time to crit­i­cize me for speak­ing up for my Lord. Such is life, I suppose.)

“homo­sex­u­al­i­ty is sin. islam is a lie. abor­tion is mur­der. and Jesus is still Lord.”

wow.

i would like to make an ammend­ment to the above state­ment — “Jesus loves homo­sex­u­als, Jesus loves islam­ics (yes, even the mil­i­tant ones), Jesus holds the moth­er and the unborn child close in His arms of ten­der mer­cy, and Jesus is still the Lord who loves his fol­low­ers despite how wrong we are 90% of the time.”

That is how this arti­cle in response to my blog’s (uno­rig­i­nal, I might add) tagline begins.

Jesus loves homo­sex­u­als. And that is why He burned Sodom and Gomor­rah to the ground, no? The Bible over­whelm­ing­ly declares that the will­ful­ly sin­ful are abhorrent–despised, hated–in God’s eyes. Yes, it may be true that He loved them enough to die for them. Yes, it may be true that He wants to wel­come them home into His glo­ry. But while they are will­ful­ly sin­ful, the wrath of God abides upon them, and they are hat­ed in His eyes. That is Bible. That is truth.

Jesus loves islam­ics (yes, even the mil­i­tant ones). And yet none come to the Father but by Jesus; and since what Jesus taught and what Islam teach­es are dia­met­ri­cal­ly opposed, those who hold fast to Islam­ic faith will have their part in the Lake of Fire. I have no prob­lem say­ing God loves them–He died for them. I ful­ly accept that. How­ev­er, if Chris­tians stop declar­ing truth and sim­ply say “God loves you,” who in their right mind will want to give up sin? Did not Jesus speak a great deal on sin? Did not Moses? Did not the prophets of God? Did not the Apos­tles? God is a God of love and a God of hate, and Scrip­ture declares that He abhors sinners.

Jesus holds the moth­er and the unborn child close in His arms of ten­der mer­cy. That may well be so (pro­vid­ed the moth­er has accept­ed Jesus in faith–until then, the wrath of God abides on her); it does not change the fact that hands which shed inno­cent blood are despised by God (Proverbs 6:17). Notice that: the Spir­it does­n’t declare that the act of abor­tion of the shed­ding of inno­cent blood is hat­ed by God. Rather, it is the hands which per­form the act which are an abomination.

Jesus is still the Lord who loves his fol­low­ers despite how wrong we are 90% of the time. I’d say that those with­in Chris­ten­dom are wrong quite a bit more often than not, espe­cial­ly con­sid­er­ing when the vast major­i­ty of church­es with­in Chris­ten­dom (Ortho­dox, Roman Catholics, Protes­tant, etc. all includ­ed) have a dif­fi­cult time get­ting the bare min­i­mum beliefs right. If the sim­ple milk of the Word is so dif­fi­cult for men to digest, is it any won­der the deep­er teach­ings of the Word are missed by so many?

how on earth do we expect peo­ple to ever know the love of jesus if all we do is shout hate state­ments at them and each other?

I’m not shout­ing state­ments to them. I write for Chris­tians, for myself, for my friends. If I want­ed to appeal to a Mus­lim about the love of Christ, it’d be a far dif­fer­ent appeal than a blog tagline. How­ev­er, the sim­ple phras­es of my tagline are quite soft com­pared to some of the dec­la­ra­tions made by God Him­self in Scrip­ture. If you have a prob­lem with those sim­ple phras­es, what in Scrip­ture irks you, and can you real­ly say you believe it? Read Jude, for exam­ple, for one of the most scathing rebukes for false teach­ers (who God also loved enough to die for, yet hes­i­tates not to declare the truth–harsh as it may be–to them). Rev­e­la­tion is almost entire­ly God’s wrath being poured out on the lost, with state­ments of love and mer­cy few by comparison.

God is a God of wrath, and to teach the whole coun­sel of God, that teach­ing must include quite a bit on wrath and the hatred of sin. I would hate to be a homo­sex­u­al who believed on Jesus and one day had to stand before Him and explain why he nev­er repented:

I’d hate to be the author of a blog that some­one some­day uses as an excuse to sin or to remain in past sin.

jesus, may your love and truth ring out loud­er than our judgements.

“Truth” by its very nature requires a judg­ment, a dec­la­ra­tion that some­thing some­where is false. To say “Jesus is the only way to Heav­en” (a won­der­ful, lov­ing thing to say to the lost and dying who need Him) is sim­ply the pos­i­tive form of “Islam is a lie and will lead to Hell.” Some peo­ple are won by love, oth­ers by warn­ing. God has used both.

10 thoughts on “Yes, Jesus Is Still Lord.”

  1. I read both posts, yours and this pried loose per­son… I think you need to sit down and read the bible,
    read it over again, Then read it a third time. After that read it again. Then maybe, just maybe the Lord will
    begin to open your eyes… I believe you are real­ly wrong here sir. There is no doubt that Jesus is Lord.
    King of all. Prince of peace and Lion of Juda. There is no doubt, that the King is mas­ter of the whole
    Real(m). the more oppo­sites you can hold togeth­er, the more of a king you are. The more ene­mies you can love,
    the more you are in his King­dom. The more out­siders you can include in your world, the greater your victory.
    The true king is even big enough to let the war­rior do his thing for a while, know­ing that their relationship
    will draw him back. jesus is the King of Kings. His realm is big enough to hold togeth­er EVERYTHING — and
    with­out fear. When I see such larg­er-than-life men, I know that Jesus is, in fact, their King and not just
    the mas­cot for their own small king­doms. When I see men still cre­at­ing new vic­tims and exclud­ing oth­ers, I
    know that Jesus’ King­dom has not yet come; it is just more of the same old thing. Take for instance the
    war­riors who tried to defend Jesus from his ene­mies in the gar­den “Lord, shall we strike with a sword?” Jesus
    answered, “Stop! No more of this.” (see Luke 22:50–51)

    I believe you’re in need of some Amaz­ing grace… will­ing to take up the sword are you, when Jesus calls us to
    stop, lis­ten and love… please hold your judge­ments to your­self, you make your­self look bad… stop using
    Jesus and the Bible as mas­cots for your small wars. They mat­ter noth­ing to the King. The King does not rule
    fear. Many have tried to rule by fear and all have failed. I’m not talk­ing about the “Fear of God”… thats a
    whole oth­er sub­ject, that you will sure­ly bring up and twist to your way of think­ing… but I’m afraid you
    just might not get it… pray for amaz­ing grace broth­er… pray that Jesus teach­es you about his King­dom… and
    maybe the war­rior (you) might just start play­ing a part in His King­dom, cuz as for now… you are not. We are
    not to judge, HE IS. NOT us… we’re called to LOVE the Lord God with all our heart hearts, and love our neighbor
    as ourself.

    cheers

    frank

  2. Hmm, a few things:

    There is no com­mand to a Chris­t­ian to not judge. You made that law up your­self so your com­ments con­cern­ing that don’t mean much to me.

    Sec­ond, we are specif­i­cal­ly told to judge. Try the spir­its, whether they are of God. Prove all things, hold fast that which is good.

    To try some­thing or to prove some­thing are both expres­sions mean­ing “to judge.” If you’ve ever been gro­cery shop­ping, you’ve like done some judging–bad toma­to, good toma­to, squishy mel­on, ripe mel­on, etc. In like man­ner, Chris­tians make spir­i­tu­al judg­ments all the time–truth is good, idol­a­try is bad, avoid lust, watch out for this false teacher, etc.

    These are bib­li­cal com­mands, as is the man­date to teach the whole coun­sel of God. Did God not declare that any­one teach­ing a plan of sal­va­tion con­trary to the Bible’s plan is to be declared anath­e­ma (accursed)? That is up to us to do–determine whether some­thing aligns with the truth, and if not, we are to denounce it as accursed and move on.

    Islam has been tried by the Bible and has failed. It is a lie. Abor­tion has been tried by the Bible and has failed. It is mur­der. Homo­sex­u­al­i­ty has been tried by the Bible and is sin.

    I hate Islam. I hate abor­tion. And I hate homo­sex­u­al­i­ty. (I also hate lies, adul­tery, rumor­mon­ger­ing, and much more). Why? Because God does.

    You’ll notice that I’m not say­ing, “I hate homo­sex­u­als” or “I hate Mus­lims.” That is what I have been accused of, but it is not my fault some­one can­not dis­tin­guish sin from the sin­ner. I’ll let God hate the sin­ner and the sin (as the Old Tes­ta­ment often declares). I’m told to hate no man (though avoid a great many).

    You’re focused on love, which is great, but don’t neglect the “neg­a­tive” aspects of the faith. Chris­tian­i­ty is far from a “feel good” reli­gion. It is a judg­ing faith, a dis­crim­i­nate faith, a pure faith.

  3. Hmmm, hate the sin, not the sin­ner … so if some­one says that he hates Chris­tian­i­ty and wants to out­law it, you would­n’t take that per­son­al­ly at all, right? You would­n’t con­sid­er that unreaon­able, or hate­ful in any way? After all, he only hates Chris­tian­i­ty, not Christians.

  4. Actu­al­ly, I would­n’t mind it. It hap­pens quite often. Many do hate Chris­tian­i­ty, and it is ille­gal in sev­er­al places, but that only makes it thrive. Jesus said do not be amazed if the world hates or per­se­cutes us. So as it hap­pens, amazed I will not be.

    To take a page out of your book, I won­der if you’d be like this if you’d actu­al­ly had a real Bible edu­ca­tion? You seem to rehash all the age-old argu­ments against Scrip­ture (few of which take any effort to dis­miss), yet are quick to rail on those who rehash repeat­ed anti-evo­lu­tion­ary teaching…

  5. Actu­al­ly, I wouldn’t mind it. It hap­pens quite often. Many do hate Chris­tian­i­ty, and it is ille­gal in sev­er­al places, but that only makes it thrive. Jesus said do not be amazed if the world hates or per­se­cutes us. So as it hap­pens, amazed I will not be.

    LOL, that’s fun­ny. Yeah, I’m sure you would­n’t mind at all, and you would­n’t say any­thing bad about the peo­ple doing it. Who would mind being thrown in prison, after all? You should try being more hon­est with your­self rather than say­ing things that aren’t true just because you think they’re nec­es­sary in order to win an argu­ment. Any­one who seri­ous­ly “would­n’t mind” being in prison is certifiable.

    To take a page out of your book, I won­der if you’d be like this if you’d actu­al­ly had a real Bible education?

    I’ve read the entire Bible and I took Old Tes­ta­ment the­ol­o­gy elec­tives in uni­ver­si­ty. Your turn. How much sci­en­tif­ic edu­ca­tion do you have?

    You seem to rehash all the age-old argu­ments against Scrip­ture (few of which take any effort to dismiss),

    Very well, please feel free to show exact­ly how you would “dis­miss” them.

    yet are quick to rail on those who rehash repeat­ed anti-evo­lu­tion­ary teaching… 

    Of course, because only a fanat­ic can pos­si­bly think that cre­ation­ism has any sci­en­tif­ic mer­it. We’re talk­ing about a “sci­en­tif­ic the­o­ry” which utter­ly failed in the sci­en­tif­ic are­na, so its pro­po­nents go straight to laypeo­ple in order to make their case; this does­n’t say some­thing to you?

  6. Tell you what: if you want to argue the valid­i­ty of Scrip­ture against sci­ence or his­to­ry or the valid­i­ty of cre­ation­ism against sci­ence, feel free to use the Con­tact link on my CreationTheory.Org web­site so we can do this via E‑mail. Smash­ing fun­da­men­tal­ist argu­ments is a hob­by of mine, and this for­mat is not par­tic­u­lar­ly good for lengthy exchanges.

  7. Yes, because a repeat of phpbb.com is real­ly what I have time for… Hmmm, start a fam­i­ly, main­tain a job, find and get involved in a church, con­tin­ue to main­tain a healthy web com­mu­ni­ty, find time for fam­i­ly vis­its and activ­i­ties, study for A+ Cert., and while I’m at it, let’s hook back up with the arch-neme­sis for the exact same arguments.

    I don’t know how much time you have, but it isn’t a lux­u­ry I feel like spend­ing on those debates again. I’m sure there are plen­ty of people–quite a few who are more qual­i­fied than me–who would be more than will­ing to vol­un­teer hours to inflat­ing your ego. And I know for a fact CARM.org’s board would have quite a few of them (not to men­tion the founder of that site).

    Tell me… Do you pick on the pro­fes­sion­al Cre­ation­ists or life-long preach­ers or who­ev­er else who have done more to pro­pogate our beliefs than I have, or do you get your jol­lies pick­ing on those with lit­tle (if any) train­ing in debate, sci­ence, etc.?

    Sounds like bul­ly-tac­tics to me, but I do got­ta thank you for the near­ly 80 refer­rals I’ve had from your site, and no, I haven’t blocked a sin­gle com­ment from any­one at Pried Loose, your site, or any­where else that was­n’t legit­i­mate spam (casi­nos, drugs, etc.); thanks for the false accu­sa­tions on my char­ac­ter on your board, though. Noble of you.

  8. I don’t know how much time you have, but it isn’t a lux­u­ry I feel like spend­ing on those debates again. I’m sure there are plen­ty of people—quite a few who are more qual­i­fied than me—who would be more than will­ing to vol­un­teer hours to inflat­ing your ego. And I know for a fact CARM.org’s board would have quite a few of them (not to men­tion the founder of that site).

    I’ve dealt with CARM­ers before; you are great­ly mis­tak­en in your belief that they are more or less of a dif­fi­cul­ty than any­one else. CARM itself makes some rather laugh­able argu­ments too.

    Tell me… Do you pick on the pro­fes­sion­al Cre­ation­ists or life-long preach­ers or who­ev­er else who have done more to pro­pogate our beliefs than I have, or do you get your jol­lies pick­ing on those with lit­tle (if any) train­ing in debate, sci­ence, etc.?

    Sounds like bul­ly-tac­tics to me

    What is a “pro­fes­sion­al cre­ation­ist?” I’ll take on any­body who con­tacts me at my web­site and takes the time to con­struct a seri­ous argu­ment rather than a one-lin­er, and I’ve tried to get peo­ple like Hov­ind to respond to me, to no avail. There is no such thing as a cre­ation­ist out there who makes sci­en­tif­i­cal­ly valid argu­ments, because there are no sci­en­tif­i­cal­ly valid cre­ation­ist argu­ments. That’s why the most “pro­fes­sion­al” cre­ation­ists like the icr.org peo­ple actu­al­ly admit that most cre­ation­ist argu­ments are wrong, and they actu­al­ly admit that evo­lu­tion­ary spe­ci­a­tion is pos­si­ble! They just look for gaps in our knowl­edge to claim that this spe­ci­a­tion is lim­it­ed to large fam­i­lies, with­out admit­ting that the recog­ni­tion of nat­ur­al spe­ci­a­tion utter­ly dev­as­tates their entire case.

    But here’s a more per­ti­nent ques­tion: why is it “bul­ly tac­tics” to point out to peo­ple who have no sci­en­tif­ic train­ing that they have no busi­ness telling sci­en­tists that they’re wrong? That’s an incred­i­ble lev­el of arro­gance when peo­ple like you spout about evo­lu­tion and oth­er things you clear­ly don’t under­stand, and when some­one calls you on it, you accuse them of being bul­lies. If you have the chutz­pah to post in a pub­lic forum accus­ing the entire sci­en­tif­ic com­mu­ni­ty of being wrong about the def­i­n­i­tion of a sci­en­tif­ic the­o­ry, then you should be pre­pared to go head to head with peo­ple who actu­al­ly know what they’re talk­ing about.

    no, I haven’t blocked a sin­gle com­ment from any­one at Pried Loose, your site, or any­where else that wasn’t legit­i­mate spam (casi­nos, drugs, etc.); thanks for the false accu­sa­tions on my char­ac­ter on your board, though. Noble of you.

    If that’s true, then go com­plain to the guy on my board who said he made a post and nev­er saw it appear. In any case, it is clear that you don’t know how to han­dle a dis­cus­sion with some­one who does­n’t agree with you. You either fall back on recit­ing Scrip­ture or you get upset and com­plain. This is pre­cise­ly the prob­lem I described ear­li­er to you; you are so accus­tomed to speak­ing only with like-mind­ed peo­ple that you get flus­tered and don’t know how to respond when con­front­ed by some­one who does­n’t already think the same way you do. That might be all well and good if you kept to your­self, but you make pub­lic posts attack­ing the entire sci­en­tif­ic com­mu­ni­ty and then you act sur­prised when some­one chal­lenges you on your mis­con­cep­tions. What do you expect, when you have a tagline like that on your blog and you make posts about evo­lu­tion, con­demn­ing oth­ers, etc? I have an inflam­ma­to­ry web­site too, but I don’t act sur­prised when peo­ple try to argue with me about it.

  9. I still haven’t cen­sored any­thing but legit spam; I’m sor­ry your pal’s post got lost, but it was­n’t ’cause of me. I’d rather let a com­ment go unno­ticed or ignored than have it delet­ed. I enjoy get­ting com­ments as much as the next guy, regard­less of how antag­o­nis­tic they are. So in that respect, boy am I glad you showed up here. :P

    Okay, so you’ve tried to con­tact the “pros”; I was­n’t aware. Had I a col­lege lev­el edu­ca­tion (or mas­ters, as do you?) and had train­ing in log­ic and stuff, I’d be more than hap­py to have more seri­ous dia­logues with you. I know Scrip­ture, and I admit to know­ing lit­tle about sci­ence. I great­ly enjoy sci­ence, math, and log­ic, but enjoy­ment does not an expert make, nor do I wish to spend the time to become such.

    As I said, Scrip­ture is what I love, it’s what I know, and if I were argu­ing the fin­er points of free will, Calvin­ism, pre­des­ti­na­tion, and the secu­ri­ty of sal­va­tion, I would­n’t have any prob­lems at all, even if I were inad­e­quate­ly defend­ing my positions.

    Call sci­ence foot­ball and Scrip­ture base­ball; out on the dia­mond, I can pitch a pret­ty good game, but on the foot­ball field, I’d prob­a­bly nev­er be off the bench (though I “talk tough”, as it were).

  10. Okay, so you’ve tried to con­tact the “prosâ€?; I wasn’t aware. Had I a col­lege lev­el edu­ca­tion (or mas­ters, as do you?) and had train­ing in log­ic and stuff, I’d be more than hap­py to have more seri­ous dia­logues with you. I know Scrip­ture, and I admit to know­ing lit­tle about sci­ence. I great­ly enjoy sci­ence, math, and log­ic, but enjoy­ment does not an expert make, nor do I wish to spend the time to become such.

    Then why did you make a post ear­li­er on this blog accus­ing sci­en­tists of being wrong about their own fields of spe­cial­iza­tion, when by your own admis­sion you don’t know any­thing about science?

    Call sci­ence foot­ball and Scrip­ture base­ball; out on the dia­mond, I can pitch a pret­ty good game, but on the foot­ball field, I’d prob­a­bly nev­er be off the bench (though I “talk toughâ€?, as it were).

    If you “talk tough” about games you can’t actu­al­ly play, don’t be sur­prised when some­body chal­lenges you to put your mon­ey where your mouth is.

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