Having had not much time to reply individually to posts, comments, etc., I will try to sum everything up here.
First off, an apology. It wasn’t until reading a recent comment from Al that I realized I was wrong in the choice of my blog tagline. He was right when he questioned the motive for using it, and I respect him for presenting that to me in love. So, I have repented and changed the tagline. It isn’t anything “catchy” or whatever, but it isn’t there out of a desire to stir up controversy.
That being said…
Ms. Rebekah of Pried Loose has posted a follow-up entitled A Response, In Love which requires some attention:
he has mostly twisted scripture to support his judgemental view (at one point, i believe he wrote that our job as christians is to judge… anyone? anyone?),
An ample amount is available on the subject of Christian judging, and I wholeheartily recomment the chapter “On Judging Others” available in the book Fascinating Truths by James Knox. In multiple places Christians are commanded to judge; it is our divine right and commission to do so. The book is available here for $7.99, though I can make that chapter available in PDF for free if desired (legally; Knox allows this).
“Try the spirits, whether they are of God” and “Prove all things, hold fast that which is good” are two quotes from memory (i.e., they may not be exact) which come from the Bible and command the question to judge both things (teachings, music, attitudes, books, whatever) and people. Further, we are told to judge amongst ourselves rather than take problems before a civil court. God has granted us the discernment to be judges. It could be said to be a gift, with the Bible as its rule.
One can come up with any excuse they want to for saying that Christians ought not to judge, but it all amounts to simple Bible rejection.
and tried to debate me on something i wish to not debate on… the fact that our job is to LOVE, not to JUDGE. not worth debating in my mind.
We are commanded to grow and strive to be like Christ. Christ judged. Christ loved. If we strive only to love, we are only half like Christ. We judge when we pick our spouse, we judge when we pick our groceries, we judge when we discipline our children, we judge when we pick a home, we judge in choosing a vocation, we judge when choosing a church, we judge in choosing close friends, we judge in choosing which books to read, we judge in choosing what to believe…
Simply put, we couldn’t live without judging, so why should we be surprised that we are commanded to do it?
Now, many will point to the first part of Matthew 7. It simply says to not judge hypocritically. It is a sin to judge someone according to a standard which we would not want or allow ourselves to be judged by as well.
God judges us; if we judged Him by the same standard (Scripture), He would be free from fault. If I judge others (teachers, preachers, whatever), I am prepared to be judged likewise; and while I know I wouldn’t be found faultless, in being judged I could be shown where I need to grow.
Her post continues with a complaint that her comment here did not show up after being posted; I use preventive spam measures which cause some comments to remain hidden until I have a chance to approve them. I have deleted dozens of spam comments, but I have never deleted a legitimate comment, no matter how much I oppose the views expressed therein. Had I done that, none of Michael Wong’s posts would be here (and contrary to what many may think, I count him a friend, but it is fun and sometimes quite enlightening to argue with him…). Ashley Rebekah’s post was never deleted and is available to this day on my blog, for all to see. Sadly, commenters on her blog casted their stones and accused me of deleting her comment because I couldn’t handle it. I would rather ignore a comment than delete it.
Ashley and friends, it is wrong to accuse someone of being judgmental if you yourself are being judgmental; that is a violation of Matthew 7. Ashley, you didn’t so much do it, but your commenters did; I hope you don’t endorse their silliness?
Anyway, that’s it for her post on her blog, so now I will reply to her commenters:
First, there was Pete, who posted making it seem like he understood me completely, labeling me and saying things like “his type” or whatever. An interesting approach for someone who seems to dislike debate and judging. So, Pete, I forgive you for your prejudice against me, and I thank you for whatever prayers you can offer. :) Seriously, though, debate is not “my turf.” However, truth is, and being in Christ, I am in the Truth. Therefore, it is not unreasonable to strive to be of sound doctrine and to want to teach others that as well. After all, if truth and the defense of it was unimportant, what would the point be of teachers, preachers, the Apostles, or even the Bible? Salvation could have been outlined for us in a simple little pamphlet, but God gave us so much more, and told us to then teach the whole counsel of God.
And to Judith, I have to disagree with you on your point that love for one another was the only way the world would know us. Actually, Christ pointed to several different ways that we’d be identified as His disciples. Additionally, it’s interesting to note that the apostles and early Christians were first identified by the world as “Christians” based upon the fact that they spent a week teaching. We are identified by our beliefs as much as by our actions. And whether it is John 3:16 which the world uses to link me to the Lord or the verse that says Christ will have slain before Him those who reject His rule, that’s okay with me. I unconditionally love the Lord, even when His truths seem discriminatory, hateful, or downright wrong to the world or carnally minded Christians.
I’m going to reply to Ashley’s comment here (the one which I was accused of deleting) within the proper thread via another comment.
Thanks to all those who have commented here and over at Pried Loose regarding this. God bless you, and may we all continue to grow in Him.
Also, if anyone has a problem with me over my beliefs and practice, please contact me directly with either Scripture showing where I’m wrong or helpful advice on how to improve my approach. firstname.lastname@example.org or commenting here. :D