Belated Obligatory July 4 Post

I have seen Chris­t­ian blogs cel­e­brat­ing the fourth, so I won’t do that. It’s be done. Rather, I’ll stick the Book and con­grat­u­late the nation on yet anoth­er anniver­sary if its rebel­lion (a sin like unto witch­craft) against its rulers which were to be found in Great Britain.

Like it or not, if you stick to the Book, you can­not help but believe that the peo­ple are not fit to rule (the major­i­ty is nev­er right, and if they hap­pen to be right, they aren’t being hon­est), which is what we have in Amer­i­ca. Like it or not, if you stick to the Book, you can­not find any­place where God says it is okay to cast off the lead­er­ship over you–whether in fam­i­ly, slav­ery, employ­ment, or nationality–but this is pre­cise­ly what the Found­ing Fathers did.

Amer­i­ca got its start with rebel­lion. Inci­den­tal­ly, so did Satan and the human race. At least the pat­tern is holding.

For­get the roman­ti­cized, noble accounts of “life, lib­er­ty, and the pur­suit of hap­pi­ness” in the ear­ly days of the nation. Where were the Chris­tians cry­ing out that a nation starts on the wrong foot if that foot’s first step is on the limb of rebellion?

And why have Chris­tians since then so eas­i­ly for­got­ten that rebel­lion is a sin, and every July 4, that rebel­lion is cel­e­brat­ed. A nation gives us a lit­tle bit of free­dom, and we use it as a license to and endorse­ment of sin? May it not be so!

I’m post­ing this a few hours after the fourth to give you a year to think about these things, and so I don’t ruin any­one’s fun. Or maybe it’s because I com­plete­ly for­got I should blog about the event. Either way, if you are a Chris­t­ian and you still hold any pre­tense of being patri­ot­ic in any way oth­er than hon­or­ing lead­er­ship and obey­ing the law, I implore you to go to the Scrip­tures and find out what they say about gov­ern­ment and the believ­er’s allegiances.

8 thoughts on “Belated Obligatory July 4 Post”

  1. You, sir, should move to Britain.

    Explain to me Moses and the Exo­dus. Per­haps “God” also called, in some way, this nation’s founders.

    Either way I think you’re way off base.

  2. I don’t know my his­to­ry of the Unit­ed States as well as I should, but is it not true that the British played a large part in set­tling Amer­i­ca? So in real­i­ty the amer­i­can peo­ple of that time rebelled against their own. As far as Moses goes, God’s peo­ple were under forced slav­ery and were released. If we want to com­pare Moses let’s com­pare the Civ­il War.

  3. I see your point. And I think you’re cor­rect in your facts and your log­ic for the most part. How­ev­er, I would­n’t go so far as to say that rebel­lion is always sin. That just does­n’t jive with my under­stand­ing of Theology.

  4. Ben (com­menter #1, not #3): Why should I move to Britain? The only nation I’m hap­py to be a part of with­out find­ing prob­lems with its lead­er­ship is the King­dom of God. I’m not dis­mayed enough with Amer­i­ca to run away. It’d be too much trou­ble and would­n’t real­ly solve any­thing, after all.

    Moses’ lead­ing of the Israelites out of Egypt was God’s call­ing of a phys­i­cal nation. He cre­at­ed the nation of Israel. It was His nation. In sep­a­rat­ing Moses and the rest of the Israelites out of Egypt, God was cor­rect­ing a mistake–the enslave­ment and cap­tiv­i­ty of a nation which was always meant to be called out and phys­i­cal­ly sep­a­rate (hence the strict demands of the Law, involv­ing cloth­ing type and farm­ing meth­ods and more).

    This can­not be com­pared to a nation sep­a­rat­ing itself out from anoth­er nation over mat­ters of tax­a­tion or any­thing else; it also can­not be said that God called the Found­ing Fathers to do what they did because God nev­er spoke pos­i­tive­ly of peo­ple-rule.

    I also would cau­tion that think­ing God called the Found­ing Fathers to do what they did comes dan­ger­ous­ly close to adding to His word. God acts by reveal­ing what He’ll do to His prophets first, and they make no men­tion of Amer­i­ca, yet they firm­ly men­tioned every­thing God has been actu­al­ly doing–saving souls, pre­serv­ing souls, chas­ten­ing way­ward chil­dren, etc., etc.

    Romans 13:1–7 ends the debate as far as I’m con­cerned. The rulers of the colonies were in Eng­land. They had a right to tax the colonies, and they were under no bib­li­cal oblig­a­tion to have colo­nial representation.

    Let every soul be sub­ject to the gov­ern­ing author­i­ties. For there is no author­i­ty except from God, and the author­i­ties that exist are appoint­ed by God. There­fore who­ev­er resists the author­i­ty resists the ordi­nance of God, and those who resist will bring judg­ment on them­selves. For rulers are not a ter­ror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the author­i­ty? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. For he is God’s min­is­ter to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s min­is­ter, an avenger to exe­cute wrath on him who prac­tices evil. There­fore you must be sub­ject, not only because of wrath but also for con­science sake. For because of this you also pay tax­es, for they are God’s min­is­ters attend­ing con­tin­u­al­ly to this very thing. Ren­der there­fore to all their due: tax­es to whom tax­es are due, cus­toms to whom cus­toms, fear to whom fear, hon­or to whom hon­or. (NKJV)

  5. Jeff Adams writes:

    If one were to accept the argu­ment that Scrip­ture demands unques­tion­ing sub­mis­sion to the state, how could any­one fault those who obeyed orders to car­ry out atroc­i­ties (such as fol­low­ing bru­tal orders from Hitler, Stal­in, Mao, etc.)? From a world­ly per­spec­tive, the Nurem­burg tri­als refute the idea of total sub­mis­sion to the state, and reject the con­cept of ‘I was just fol­low­ing orders.’ In truth, as Chris­tians we are called to fol­low God­ly gov­ern­ment as long as it is just that: God­ly, and does­n’t run counter to the laws of God. If a gov­ern­ment starts to act in ways that put a believ­er in con­flict between what God calls us to do and what the gov­ern­ment calls us to do, then a believ­er has to sub­mit to the Supreme author­i­ty rather than to the flawed earth­ly author­i­ty of a man-made government.

    Enter the Puri­tans, and oth­er “fac­tions”, which helped bring this coun­try into exis­tence in Jamestown and Boston.

    Adam goes on to say:

    … the founders were act­ing in keep­ing with Romans 13:1–7 by rebelling against a gov­ern­ment that was dis­hon­or­ing God in how it was deal­ing with its colo­nial sub­jects. We, as Chris­tians, would be act­ing in accor­dance with Romans 13:1–7 if we rebelled against a gov­ern­ment that vio­lates our writ­ten laws (the Con­sti­tu­tion), pro­motes immoral­i­ty (legal­iza­tion of pornog­ra­phy, homo­sex­u­al­i­ty, no-fault divorce, same-sex mar­riage, pros­ti­tu­tion, etc.), and attempt­ed to sub­vert our Chris­t­ian faith (such as ban­ning pub­lic dis­plays of cross­es, nativ­i­ty scenes, the Ten Com­mand­ments, pub­lic prayer, denied our free exer­cise of our faith, etc.).

    Read the whole arti­cle: http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/04/11/05/adams.htm

  6. Sad­ly, Jeff Adams is entire­ly mis­tak­en. I don’t advo­cate unques­tion­ing author­i­ty; I don’t believe any Chris­t­ian should obey if obe­di­ence leads to sin.

    How­ev­er, there is noth­ing in the Bible which allows for the cast­ing off of a gov­ern­ment because it is “ungod­ly.”

    Did Paul, when he appeared before Roman rulers, seek to change their minds about the ram­pant per­se­cu­tion of the church? No! He sim­ply shared the gospel message.

    The gov­ern­ment of Eng­land was not forc­ing Chris­tians in Amer­i­ca to sin, so where’s the big com­plaint? The issue was over mon­ey. Don’t tax me if I can’t be rep­re­sent­ed! I want more con­trol over how much I have to give you! I love my mon­ey too much to let you decide!

    The love of mon­ey is the root of all sorts of evil, includ­ing rebel­lion against the government.

  7. Mon­toya: How far does one take it, though? Scrip­ture nev­er, ever, ever tells a Chris­t­ian to flee per­se­cu­tion. James clears that mat­ter up very nice­ly by say­ing when our faith is test­ed and we fall into tri­als, we should count it all joy. Not just some joy. Not just, “I’ll be hap­py when it’s over,” but ALL joy. Jesus said we are blessed, or hap­py, when men per­se­cute us or use us. There is laid up in Heav­en spe­cial rewards for those who endure per­se­cu­tion faithfully.

    If you can pro­vide me an exam­ple of a Chris­t­ian in the Bible say­ing, “I don’t like Rome. I’m mark­ing out a ter­ri­to­ry and declar­ing it Chris­tian­land and I’m going to let the peo­ple rule ’cause we all know that’s a good idea,” then I will love Amer­i­ca with all my heart.

    God calls hus­bands or wives to remain even with the worst spouse and to love them faithfully.
    God calls slaves to lov­ing­ly sub­mit to their masters.
    God calls Chris­tians to be in sub­mis­sion to the author­i­ty over them.

    There is no lee­way for rebel­lion against any mas­ter, unless obey­ing that mas­ter would cause us to dis­obey the Lord. And a Chris­t­ian can­not rebel against Satan; he is no longer any author­i­ty over us.

    I’m not say­ing you can’t leave the coun­try. That isn’t rebel­lion; that’s an allow­able thing. But if a coun­try has a claim on land, it is rebel­lion to say, “No, now this land is Chris­tian­land, and if you don’t like it, send some sol­diers over and we’ll kill them.” Of course, war goes right along with the New Tes­ta­ment prin­ci­ple of liv­ing peace­ably with all men, but when it comes to patri­o­tism, the Book takes a back seat (or is tossed out the win­dow alto­geth­er, in many cases).

    Ali­cia: You’re right, there isn’t real­ly any­thing wrong with cel­e­brat­ing cer­tain days. And I will nev­er judge some­one for doing so, as the Scrip­tures demand. But I only cau­tion Chris­tians to be edu­cat­ed about what they are cel­e­brat­ing. Birth­days are easy; you cel­e­brate your birth. Thanks­giv­ing cel­e­brates, well, being thank­ful, which is of course bib­li­cal. Christ­mas and East­er I won’t even go into ’cause I’d be here far too long. And the Fourth of July cel­e­brates a rebel­lion. It can­not be sug­ar­coat­ed unless it is mis­un­der­stood. Democracy–the rule of the people–is the fruit of that rebel­lion, and once peo­ple rule, God is no longer need­ed except as a token (“God bless Amer­i­ca,” “In God we trust,” “One nation under God,” and oth­er cute lit­tle non-bib­li­cal expres­sions of wor­ship of the sup­posed bib­li­cal God).

    Sad­ly, this same democ­ra­cy has invad­ed many church­es, as over­seers are vot­ed for by the con­gre­ga­tion rather than appoint­ed by evan­ge­lists. Seri­ous­ly, what kind of rule is it when you get to pick your ruler? Hmm, I want this or that to be allowed and this banned, so let’s vote for this guy over here. No prob­lem obey­ing him. Yes-sir-ee.

  8. Rebel­lion against God is a sin, and rebel­lion against your par­ents is a sin, but rebel­lion against the dev­il is not. If the peo­ple who came to Amer­i­ca were flee­ing from reli­gious per­se­cu­tion, then it was not a sin. I agree our coun­try did not start out on the right foot but this is not the rea­son. And no, I don’t cel­e­brate July 4th.

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