2006 Goals

Well, I got­ta admit, I’m a bit bored with track­ing my goals. “Boast not thy­self of tomor­row,” God said, and it’s hard to live every day to the fullest if I’m at the same time try­ing to get cer­tain things accom­plished that real­ly don’t mat­ter much.

How­ev­er, I do want to share a bit about a book I just fin­ished read­ing, Bal­anc­ing the Chris­t­ian Life by Dr. Charles C. Ryrie. As with every­thing of Ryrie’s that I’ve had the priv­i­lege to read, BCF was thor­ough, well researched, and very bib­li­cal­ly sound.

He touch­es on sub­jects such as lord­ship sal­va­tion, repen­tance, speak­ing in tongues, the bap­tism of the Spir­it and the fill­ing of the Spir­it, and a whole lot more, explain­ing from the Bible what (if any) place in our lives we ought to give such things.

Far too many are wor­ship­ping a god while claim­ing to be spir­i­tu­al, hold­ing up emo­tion­al expe­ri­ences of gib­ber­ish in gath­er­ings, falling uncon­cious, and more as evi­dence of spir­i­tu­al­i­ty. In this book you will learn that spir­i­tu­al­i­ty is insep­a­ra­bly linked to a grow­ing, mature rela­tion­ship with God through the Holy Spir­it accord­ing to the truth of the Holy Bible.

The book is easy to read and should be under­stand­able to most peo­ple who have been made a new crea­ture via belief in Christ. I rec­om­mend it to younger Chris­tians as well; get start­ed on Bible truths now so you won’t get mixed up into some­thing unbib­li­cal lat­er on.

6 thoughts on “2006 Goals”

  1. Wow- imply­ing that those who claim the gifts of tongues do not fol­low Christ is a huge assump­tion. I’m sur­prised of your dis­cern­ment of the heart over every sin­gle fol­low­er blessed with spir­i­tu­al gifts. Espe­cial­ly of Paul and the ear­ly church. It’s like you’ve ommit­ed 1 Corinthi­ans 14 entire­ly. Or maybe I’m just mis­un­der­stand­ing you. Would you care to elab­o­rate on your research and con­vic­tions over this subject?

  2. Notice I said “gib­ber­ish” in the church. Find me one exam­ple of that in the Bible, and you win the debate hands down. Tongues were a real lan­guage, spo­ken in turn by at most 3 peo­ple and nev­er by women, and were always inter­pret­ed. I’ve seen dozens of church­es on TV and have attend­ed a few myself that claim the gift of tongues but were not at all bib­li­cal about it.

    How­ev­er, tongues ceased with the gifts of prophe­cy and the oth­er apos­tolic gifts. The church need­ed them in its infan­cy, but when it matured child­ish things were put away. The word of God is the only tes­ti­mo­ny need­ed today.

    Besides, if spir­i­tu­al­i­ty is a mature and grow­ing rela­tion­ship with God, then it prob­a­bly would­n’t be marked by the least of the spir­i­tu­al gifts any­way. Desire the bet­ter gifts, says God.

  3. Notice I said “gib­ber­ish” in the church. Find me one exam­ple of that in the Bible, and you win the debate hands down. Tongues were a real lan­guage, spo­ken in turn by at most 3 peo­ple and nev­er by women, and were always inter­pret­ed. I’ve seen dozens of church­es on TV and have attend­ed a few myself that claim the gift of tongues but were not at all bib­li­cal about it.

    How­ev­er, tongues ceased with the gifts of prophe­cy and the oth­er apos­tolic gifts. The church need­ed them in its infan­cy, but when it matured child­ish things were put away. The word of God is the only tes­ti­mo­ny need­ed today.

    Besides, if spir­i­tu­al­i­ty is a mature and grow­ing rela­tion­ship with God, then it prob­a­bly would­n’t be marked by the least of the spir­i­tu­al gifts any­way. Desire the bet­ter gifts, says God.

  4. Aha, well, the bible clear­ly states that more than 3 peo­ple spoke in tongues. In fact it insin­u­ates that the entire church spoke in tongues.
    First off-
    Jesus told the dis­ci­ples to go and preach the good news he also proph­e­sied the com­ing of tongues
    Mark 16:17
    And these signs will accom­pa­ny those who believe: In my name they will dri­ve out demons; they will speak in new tongues

    One (clear) exam­ple of peo­ple speak­ing in tongues.. is in Acts 19:1–7 Where Paul meets twelve dis­ci­ples of John the Bap­tist while trav­el­ling and learns that they have not received the Holy spir­it. So he lays his hands on them and imme­di­ate­ly they start speak­ing in tongues and prophesying.

    Also in Acts Paul is preach­ing to some gen­tiles when:
    Acts 10:45–46
    The cir­cum­cised believ­ers who had come with Peter were aston­ished that the gift of the Holy Spir­it had been poured out even on the Gen­tiles. For they heard them speak­ing in tongues and prais­ing God.

    If one reads into this just a lit­tle they will see that appar­ent­ly, the gifts of the Holy Spir­it had been promi­nent among the Jew­ish church.

    Oh, and one can­not for­get Pen­te­cost, Acts 2:4 when the dis­ci­ples of Jesus spoke in tongues and 3,000 repent­ed and fol­lowed Christ.

    1 Corinthi­an chap­ter 12 and 14 has Paul speak­ing and giv­ing advice about admin­is­ter­ing the use of the dif­fer­ent gifts of the Holy spir­it. Obvi­ous­ly he would­n’t be writ­ing this to church­es who were not speak­ing in tongues or prophesying.

    It may sound like gib­ber­ish but its not sup­posed to be always understandable.
    1 Corinthi­ans 14:2
    For any­one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God. Indeed, no one under­stands him; he utters mys­ter­ies with his spirit.

    You might say that speak­ing in tongues should be under­stood, because at Pen­te­cost peo­ple actu­al­ly heard the good news in their own lan­guage. That would be called “Xenoglos­sia” com­pared to “Glos­sia” which would be speak­ing in a lan­guage just to God. A bit of a stretch but one could say that 1 Corinthi­ans 13 has Paul metion­ing xenoglos­sia and glos­sia- “If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resound­ing gong or a clang­ing cymbal.”
    tongues of men might mean “xenoglos­sia” and “of angels” might be “glos­sia”.

    All things are debat­able. Although I think I Corinthi­ans 14:34 is pret­ty straightforward:
    There­fore, my broth­ers, be eager to proph­esy, and do not for­bid speak­ing in tongues.

    Your claim that speak­ing in tongues ceased with the gift of proph­esy and oth­er gifts, where is your sup­port for that claim?
    And your sec­ond claim that the church need­ed those gifts only for its infan­cy until the Bible came into print­ing is based off of the end of 1 Corinthi­ans 13, correct?

    Lets take a look at 1 Corinthi­ans 13. The main point of the whole chap­ter is that Love is the ulti­mate virtue. Verse 8 says
    “Love nev­er fails. But where there are prophe­cies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowl­edge, it will pass away.”
    Paul is empha­siz­ing that Love is bet­ter than proph­esy­ing, bet­ter than speak­ing in tongues, bet­ter than knowl­edge. For there will come a day when we wont need those gifts (because they’ll be point­less), my inter­pre­ta­tion is that the only time we wont need them is when Jesus returns and we are tak­en up into heaven.
    Verse 9−10−11 and 12 fit with my inter­pre­ta­tion in that when Jesus comes, imper­fec­tion in the church will cease. Right now Chris­tians are unaware ful­ly of Gods plan “Now we see but a poor reflec­tion as in a mir­ror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know ful­ly, even as I am ful­ly known.” but when Jesus returns we shall see face to face with him and will have no need for prayer even-because we’ll be with him.
    There is no ref­er­ence to the Bible- unless you think “when per­fec­tion comes” is refer­ring to the Bible. Mighty big assumption.
    Also, fol­low­ing your log­ic, the gifts of the Spir­it ceased in demon­stra­tion in the year 1454 when the Guten­berg Bible was writ­ten. But we know that it was­n’t the exact trans­la­tion plus some parts were miss­ing which are includ­ed in our Bibles today.
    Paul ends the chap­ter of Corinthi­ans 13 with an empha­sis on love. There is noth­ing bet­ter than lov­ing God and humans around you. Keep that in mind when your dis­miss­ing the gift of tongues using 3 vers­es. You might say that we don’t need rev­e­la­tion, proph­esy­ing or tongues now that we have the Bible.

    Why not? Does­n’t the church need con­stant build­ing and encour­ag­ing? I believe it does.

    You said “Desire the bet­ter gifts.” Imme­di­ate­ly fol­low­ing this state­ment is “and I will show you the most excel­lent way.” and then he goes on to talk about Love in chap­ter 13. Desire the bet­ter gifts- faith hope and love.

    I’m sor­ry that your expe­ri­ence with church­es speak­ing in tongues were not bib­li­cal about it. How­ev­er that does not mean it is not demon­strat­ed cor­rect­ly else­where. That is the same thing as say­ing that if some­one claims to be a
    chris­t­ian but does not lead a God­ly lifestyle, then all Chris­tians must not lead a God­ly lifestyle.

    Final­ly, 1 Corinthi­ans 14 says “Fol­low the way of love and eager­ly desire spir­i­tu­al gifts, espe­cial­ly the gift of prophe­cy.” and verse 39 says “There­fore, my broth­ers, be eager to proph­esy, and do not for­bid speak­ing in tongues.”
    Do we just ignore these vers­es? How can you say that the Holy Spir­it can­not bestow the gifts anymore?

    I had to strug­gle with all of this, and I decid­ed that the evi­dence for the gifts of the Holy Spir­it today far out­weigh the evi­dence of it no longer existing.
    There are just as many Chris­tians around the world who speak in tongues as there are who don’t. For me to say that God can not and no longer pours out His Spir­it and speaks to us and desires for us to reply in appro­pri­ate man­ner is much bold­er and blind­ly made statement.
    I do not believe that if you do not speak in tongues or demon­strat­ed oth­er gifts then you are not Chris­t­ian, many church­es say this and it is entire­ly unbased and unfound­ed statement.
    I only argue for the pos­si­bil­i­ty of its existence.

    In Christ.
    Peace.

    ~Sea­horse

  5. In short, tongues, prophe­cy, and spe­cial wis­dom all passed away with the apos­tles. The church was found­ed upon the apos­tles and the apos­tolic sign gifts. For 1900 years, the church did not speak in tongues until some goofy peo­ple start gig­gling, snort­ing, and jump­ing up and down or falling flat on their backs ear­li­er in the 1900s and some­one said that was of God, and sud­den­ly every­one’s speak­ing in tongues again.

    Sor­ry, but God does­n’t work like that. The sign gifts were giv­en to ver­i­fy, which is why they were a “sign.” No tongues or prophe­cy gifts of today are ver­i­fa­ble. No one’s ever real­ly spo­ken in an unknown tongue, no one is pre­dict­ing the future, etc. If they were, the church would be as strong and the lost would be being con­vert­ed as quick­ly as they were back then and there would­n’t be all the wide­spread apos­ta­sy among the churches.

    As for the “these signs will fol­low them that believe” that Jesus said to the apos­tles, it was for the apos­tles only. If you do not believe that, I have some drain clean­er you could drink; God said if a believ­er drank poi­son, it will not harm him. An apos­tle could do it because it was theirs to claim; could you or I? Of course not.

    Also, out­side of the apos­tolic min­istry in ear­ly evan­ge­lism (it was not found in lat­er evan­ge­lism), tongues were dif­fer­ent whan what you were claim­ing. God explicite­ly said that if any­one speaks in tongues in a church, it will be by two or at most three, there will be an inter­preter, etc. So, if you go to your church, and four peo­ple speak in tongues, the tongues are gib­ber­ish and no one even wants to attempt inter­pre­ta­tion, and 2 of the four peo­ple are women, then your “gifts of the Spir­it” are a satan­ic coun­ter­feit that do not agree with the word of God.

    I rec­om­mend the book Signs, Won­ders and Mir­a­cles by James W. Knox, which you could prob­a­bly get for free if you are hon­est­ly inter­est­ed in the sub­ject and what the Bible says.

  6. In short, tongues, prophe­cy, and spe­cial wis­dom all passed away with the apos­tles. The church was found­ed upon the apos­tles and the apos­tolic sign gifts. For 1900 years, the church did not speak in tongues until some goofy peo­ple start gig­gling, snort­ing, and jump­ing up and down or falling flat on their backs ear­li­er in the 1900s and some­one said that was of God, and sud­den­ly every­one’s speak­ing in tongues again.

    Sor­ry, but God does­n’t work like that. The sign gifts were giv­en to ver­i­fy, which is why they were a “sign.” No tongues or prophe­cy gifts of today are ver­i­fa­ble. No one’s ever real­ly spo­ken in an unknown tongue, no one is pre­dict­ing the future, etc. If they were, the church would be as strong and the lost would be being con­vert­ed as quick­ly as they were back then and there would­n’t be all the wide­spread apos­ta­sy among the churches.

    As for the “these signs will fol­low them that believe” that Jesus said to the apos­tles, it was for the apos­tles only. If you do not believe that, I have some drain clean­er you could drink; God said if a believ­er drank poi­son, it will not harm him. An apos­tle could do it because it was theirs to claim; could you or I? Of course not.

    Also, out­side of the apos­tolic min­istry in ear­ly evan­ge­lism (it was not found in lat­er evan­ge­lism), tongues were dif­fer­ent whan what you were claim­ing. God explicite­ly said that if any­one speaks in tongues in a church, it will be by two or at most three, there will be an inter­preter, etc. So, if you go to your church, and four peo­ple speak in tongues, the tongues are gib­ber­ish and no one even wants to attempt inter­pre­ta­tion, and 2 of the four peo­ple are women, then your “gifts of the Spir­it” are a satan­ic coun­ter­feit that do not agree with the word of God.

    I rec­om­mend the book Signs, Won­ders and Mir­a­cles by James W. Knox, which you could prob­a­bly get for free if you are hon­est­ly inter­est­ed in the sub­ject and what the Bible says.

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