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		<title>By: Rick Beckman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Beckman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 02:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The above comment, from &quot;Free Movies,&quot; was clearly posted as spam; however, it&#039;s an interesting kind of spam in that while the name &amp; website clearly gave the comment away as spam, the content of the comment itself, I feel, is worthwhile. As a result, I have allowed the comment; however, I have removed the website address.

To reply to the question, which is essentially the famed &quot;Problem of Evil&quot; that objectors of Theism like to throw around, I say this:

God allows humanity to have exactly what it wants. From the beginning, mankind has actively rejected God, His laws, and His wisdom. We have chosen defiant, willful disobedience, and God has allowed us to have what we have chosen. The natural outcome of going against God is the destruction and suffering mentioned in the above comment.

There is a subset of humanity that does not get what they want, however; these are the elect who are dragged against their will to the Savior Jesus Christ, and it is in the incarnation of Jesus Christ that God involved Himself most in the affairs of man -- almost, if not totally, to the point of &lt;em&gt;interrupting&lt;/em&gt; our willful rebellion.

Prior to the First Advent of Christ, God was still plenty involved in the affairs of men, and for those who have had their eyes opened, God&#039;s activity in our world is often quite plain to see.

Perhaps most of all, were God not active in our world, mankind likely would have wiped itself out already. The poor would be trampled over, the old would be forgotten, the sick would receive no care, and whoever is left would fight everyone else for riches and power... Until no one is left.

It is the Spirit of God which restrains us, which causes there to be good in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The above comment, from “Free Movies,” was clearly posted as spam; however, it’s an interesting kind of spam in that while the name &amp; website clearly gave the comment away as spam, the content of the comment itself, I feel, is worthwhile. As a result, I have allowed the comment; however, I have removed the website address.</p>
<p>To reply to the question, which is essentially the famed “Problem of Evil” that objectors of Theism like to throw around, I say this:</p>
<p>God allows humanity to have exactly what it wants. From the beginning, mankind has actively rejected God, His laws, and His wisdom. We have chosen defiant, willful disobedience, and God has allowed us to have what we have chosen. The natural outcome of going against God is the destruction and suffering mentioned in the above comment.</p>
<p>There is a subset of humanity that does not get what they want, however; these are the elect who are dragged against their will to the Savior Jesus Christ, and it is in the incarnation of Jesus Christ that God involved Himself most in the affairs of man — almost, if not totally, to the point of <em>interrupting</em> our willful rebellion.</p>
<p>Prior to the First Advent of Christ, God was still plenty involved in the affairs of men, and for those who have had their eyes opened, God’s activity in our world is often quite plain to see.</p>
<p>Perhaps most of all, were God not active in our world, mankind likely would have wiped itself out already. The poor would be trampled over, the old would be forgotten, the sick would receive no care, and whoever is left would fight everyone else for riches and power… Until no one is left.</p>
<p>It is the Spirit of God which restrains us, which causes there to be good in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Free Movies</title>
		<link>http://www.rickbeckman.org/genesis-12/#comment-2067</link>
		<dc:creator>Free Movies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kinda interesting even that i find god hard to believe in.
with all the destruction and suffering humans had to go through in the near history, god if existed should have clearly get involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kinda interesting even that i find god hard to believe in.<br />
with all the destruction and suffering humans had to go through in the near history, god if existed should have clearly get involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Beckman</title>
		<link>http://www.rickbeckman.org/genesis-12/#comment-2088</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Beckman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 01:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-5441&#039; class=&#039;comment_link&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Truden&lt;/a&gt;: I&#039;m not angry; I find your distrust of certain portions of Scripture to be a dangerous teaching which you have still not managed to back up. I choose not to spend my time going back and forth with you about the issue, so I simply asked that you, to put it bluntly, &quot;put up or shut up.&quot;

I&#039;d prefer even a Bulgarian source as to none at all. The link you provided seems to be some whack-job claiming every Bible he gets his hands on is an unreliable translation for whatever reasons. Yes, the article points out that &lt;em&gt;bracketed&lt;/em&gt; portions are possibly added in, and I agree with that; those portions of Scripture are the reason why the KJV has more verses than some of the newer versions.

However, that has nothing to do with &lt;em&gt;parenthetical&lt;/em&gt; phrases like in John 1; parentheses are a grammatical notation, not an editorial one. They do not denote added verses, they denote explanatory text (just like if I were to use them in my own writing).

Thanks for visiting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='#comment-5441' class='comment_link' rel="nofollow">Truden</a>: I’m not angry; I find your distrust of certain portions of Scripture to be a dangerous teaching which you have still not managed to back up. I choose not to spend my time going back and forth with you about the issue, so I simply asked that you, to put it bluntly, “put up or shut up.”</p>
<p>I’d prefer even a Bulgarian source as to none at all. The link you provided seems to be some whack-job claiming every Bible he gets his hands on is an unreliable translation for whatever reasons. Yes, the article points out that <em>bracketed</em> portions are possibly added in, and I agree with that; those portions of Scripture are the reason why the KJV has more verses than some of the newer versions.</p>
<p>However, that has nothing to do with <em>parenthetical</em> phrases like in John 1; parentheses are a grammatical notation, not an editorial one. They do not denote added verses, they denote explanatory text (just like if I were to use them in my own writing).</p>
<p>Thanks for visiting.</p>
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		<title>By: Truden</title>
		<link>http://www.rickbeckman.org/genesis-12/#comment-2083</link>
		<dc:creator>Truden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 16:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick, you behave as a little angry boy.
That is not the way to talk about God.

As I said, I&#039;m Bulgarian and it is difficult for me to find English references.
It is difficult to  find reading of what are and why are brackets used in the Bible.
Why it is so difficult I can only guess.

Yet I found one English page where they mention the brackets in the Bible:
http://www.exorthodoxforchrist.com/2003_holman_christian_standard_bible.htm

About the &quot;only begotten&quot; term used in John:
In Greek it is &lt;strong&gt;&quot;monogenous&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;, which means &lt;em&gt;asexual reproduction&lt;/em&gt;, not &quot;begotten&quot; neither &quot;born by&quot;. Therefore it can not be &lt;strong&gt;&quot;the only&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;, because that would limit the power of God to asexually reproduce Itself.

Why did I quote John 8:14?
Because they also wanted from Jesus to provide proof and &quot;references&quot;.
John 8:14 was His answer.
That is my answer too.

Farewell, my friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, you behave as a little angry boy.<br />
That is not the way to talk about God.</p>
<p>As I said, I’m Bulgarian and it is difficult for me to find English references.<br />
It is difficult to  find reading of what are and why are brackets used in the Bible.<br />
Why it is so difficult I can only guess.</p>
<p>Yet I found one English page where they mention the brackets in the Bible:<br />
<a href="http://www.exorthodoxforchrist.com/2003_holman_christian_standard_bible.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.exorthodoxforchrist.com/2003_holman_christian_standard_bible.htm</a></p>
<p>About the “only begotten” term used in John:<br />
In Greek it is <strong>“monogenous”</strong>, which means <em>asexual reproduction</em>, not “begotten” neither “born by”. Therefore it can not be <strong>“the only”</strong>, because that would limit the power of God to asexually reproduce Itself.</p>
<p>Why did I quote John 8:14?<br />
Because they also wanted from Jesus to provide proof and “references”.<br />
John 8:14 was His answer.<br />
That is my answer too.</p>
<p>Farewell, my friend.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Beckman</title>
		<link>http://www.rickbeckman.org/genesis-12/#comment-2087</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Beckman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 01:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-5439&#039; class=&#039;comment_link&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Truden&lt;/a&gt;: You claim that parts of the Scripture are untrustworthy or do not belong or are not original.

Jesus said that the Scriptures are sound, unbreakable, and are more permanent than the Heavens and the Earth.

I believe Jesus, and I humbly request that you give some reason why I should disregard certain portions of the Scripture based upon nothing more than your statement that I should do so.

Quoting John 8:14 does nothing to help your case; Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and He owes no man anything. You are no more or less than I am, so if you are wanting to teach, be big enough to be thorough and provide evidences for your teaching.

Until then, you are no more credible than those who claim the Bible condones &amp; endorses homosexuality, and what you are suggesting may even be worse: the removal of words from the Scriptures (Revelation 22).

If you do not at least provide a link to some scholarly work somewhere that demonstrates why parenthetical phrases are not original Scriptures, then I will be deleting any future comments you make here, leaving you to use your own (or at least not mine) websites to spread your baseless ideas.

Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='#comment-5439' class='comment_link' rel="nofollow">Truden</a>: You claim that parts of the Scripture are untrustworthy or do not belong or are not original.</p>
<p>Jesus said that the Scriptures are sound, unbreakable, and are more permanent than the Heavens and the Earth.</p>
<p>I believe Jesus, and I humbly request that you give some reason why I should disregard certain portions of the Scripture based upon nothing more than your statement that I should do so.</p>
<p>Quoting John 8:14 does nothing to help your case; Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and He owes no man anything. You are no more or less than I am, so if you are wanting to teach, be big enough to be thorough and provide evidences for your teaching.</p>
<p>Until then, you are no more credible than those who claim the Bible condones &amp; endorses homosexuality, and what you are suggesting may even be worse: the removal of words from the Scriptures (Revelation 22).</p>
<p>If you do not at least provide a link to some scholarly work somewhere that demonstrates why parenthetical phrases are not original Scriptures, then I will be deleting any future comments you make here, leaving you to use your own (or at least not mine) websites to spread your baseless ideas.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Truden</title>
		<link>http://www.rickbeckman.org/genesis-12/#comment-2086</link>
		<dc:creator>Truden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 21:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walt, it would be nice of me to do it if somehow my statement about Jesus not being the only begotten appears to be wrong.
But if you read my comments from the beginning you&#039;ll see that the other side must provide some proves, not me.

I &quot;backed up&quot; myself with the words of Jesus against the words of John put in brackets.

What logic are you following to tell me that I&#039;m wrong and I hold the burden of proof !?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walt, it would be nice of me to do it if somehow my statement about Jesus not being the only begotten appears to be wrong.<br />
But if you read my comments from the beginning you’ll see that the other side must provide some proves, not me.</p>
<p>I “backed up” myself with the words of Jesus against the words of John put in brackets.</p>
<p>What logic are you following to tell me that I’m wrong and I hold the burden of proof !?</p>
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		<title>By: Walt Dickinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walt Dickinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 16:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You don&#039;t have to, of course. No one is saying you do. But it would certainly be nice if you did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don’t have to, of course. No one is saying you do. But it would certainly be nice if you did.</p>
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		<title>By: Truden</title>
		<link>http://www.rickbeckman.org/genesis-12/#comment-2084</link>
		<dc:creator>Truden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 15:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;All I’m asking for is something to backup your claim&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t have to backup my self, just because you assume that I&#039;m wrong.

&lt;strong&gt;Joh 8:14&lt;/strong&gt;  Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>All I’m asking for is something to backup your claim</p></blockquote>
<p>I don’t have to backup my self, just because you assume that I’m wrong.</p>
<p><strong>Joh 8:14</strong>  Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Beckman</title>
		<link>http://www.rickbeckman.org/genesis-12/#comment-2082</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Beckman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 05:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-5428&#039; class=&#039;comment_link&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Truden&lt;/a&gt;: The burden of proof is large because you are telling us that we essentially cannot trust portions of the Scriptures; is Jesus the only begotten of the Father or isn&#039;t He? That deals with the nature of God and is therefore no small detail.

You tell us not to read the Bible as information, but the Apostle Paul tells us that all of the Scriptures are profitable for teaching, for correction, for doctrine. The Bible &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; information; if we allow a heart- or emotion-based interpretation to overrule the information presented in the Scriptures, we are being deceived, for the heart is deceitful.

I have only ever seen square brackets (&lt;strong&gt;[]&lt;/strong&gt;) used in one translation of the Bible that comes to mind: the Analytical-Literal Translation. In it, they are used to designate explanatory text or other possible translations, as in this translation of John 1:14: &quot;And the Word [or, the Expression of [divine] Logic] became flesh and tabernacled among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of an only-begotten [or, uniquely-begotten] from [the] Father, full of grace and truth.&quot;

In a previous comment, you said that &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt; parenthetical text was added at a later time and was not part of the Scriptures as originally written. In your latest comment, you are now saying that you are only certain of one thing, that God exists, and that the parentheses issue is a bit confusing.

All I&#039;m asking for is something to backup your claim that parenthetical text was added in later. I have searched a bit on Google for information about that but have come up empty. Likewise, I have checked commentator John Gill -- whose commentary is loaded with information about the earliest Bible translations and other translational issues -- and I haven&#039;t found anyplace where he points out that these texts are added.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='#comment-5428' class='comment_link' rel="nofollow">Truden</a>: The burden of proof is large because you are telling us that we essentially cannot trust portions of the Scriptures; is Jesus the only begotten of the Father or isn’t He? That deals with the nature of God and is therefore no small detail.</p>
<p>You tell us not to read the Bible as information, but the Apostle Paul tells us that all of the Scriptures are profitable for teaching, for correction, for doctrine. The Bible <em>is</em> information; if we allow a heart– or emotion-based interpretation to overrule the information presented in the Scriptures, we are being deceived, for the heart is deceitful.</p>
<p>I have only ever seen square brackets (<strong>[]</strong>) used in one translation of the Bible that comes to mind: the Analytical-Literal Translation. In it, they are used to designate explanatory text or other possible translations, as in this translation of John 1:14: “And the Word [or, the Expression of [divine] Logic] became flesh and tabernacled among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of an only-begotten [or, uniquely-begotten] from [the] Father, full of grace and truth.”</p>
<p>In a previous comment, you said that <em>all</em> parenthetical text was added at a later time and was not part of the Scriptures as originally written. In your latest comment, you are now saying that you are only certain of one thing, that God exists, and that the parentheses issue is a bit confusing.</p>
<p>All I’m asking for is something to backup your claim that parenthetical text was added in later. I have searched a bit on Google for information about that but have come up empty. Likewise, I have checked commentator John Gill — whose commentary is loaded with information about the earliest Bible translations and other translational issues — and I haven’t found anyplace where he points out that these texts are added.</p>
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		<title>By: Truden</title>
		<link>http://www.rickbeckman.org/genesis-12/#comment-2081</link>
		<dc:creator>Truden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 21:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Can you really be sure that all parenthetical comments are added later&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No.
I am sure in one only thing, that God exists.

The thing with the brackets is a little confusing.
The round brackets ( ) used to show that these words were not found in any earlier scriptures. Later on some of the translators started to use them in common way as separating one phrase from another in long sentences, thus making difficult to know which places are added later.

The [ ] brackets are to show that the text is not present in the earliest scriptures but present in later such.

Since the Bible is self explanatory (for those who know it well) it is easy to find out which places are added later.
Yet, even not being absolutely sure about the text, one can know the meaning if is guided by God.

Do not read the Bible as source of information.
Read it as you would read the book written by your dearest beloved person.
Try to get inside.
Try to clean your mind and be not bias in your faith.
Do not defend doctrines and understanding given to you by church authorities.
Try to be silent and tender when you have The Book in your hands.
Do not argue about it.
Do not make it leather for the heights of your EGO, but use it for reaching the heights of Love.

That&#039;s all I can say, my friend.
I can not give you references from English sources, because I am Bulgarian.
Try to find them yourself.

&lt;blockquote&gt;If you’re telling people to discount what amounts to about 200 words, phrases, or entire verses as being simply uninspired additions, then you are carrying a rather large burden of proof.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why!?
Did I say that there is no God?
Did I say that Jesus is not Sun of God?
Did I use it to teach you not to believe in God?
I&#039;m simply pointing out wrong interpretations of the Bible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Can you really be sure that all parenthetical comments are added later</p></blockquote>
<p>No.<br />
I am sure in one only thing, that God exists.</p>
<p>The thing with the brackets is a little confusing.<br />
The round brackets ( ) used to show that these words were not found in any earlier scriptures. Later on some of the translators started to use them in common way as separating one phrase from another in long sentences, thus making difficult to know which places are added later.</p>
<p>The [ ] brackets are to show that the text is not present in the earliest scriptures but present in later such.</p>
<p>Since the Bible is self explanatory (for those who know it well) it is easy to find out which places are added later.<br />
Yet, even not being absolutely sure about the text, one can know the meaning if is guided by God.</p>
<p>Do not read the Bible as source of information.<br />
Read it as you would read the book written by your dearest beloved person.<br />
Try to get inside.<br />
Try to clean your mind and be not bias in your faith.<br />
Do not defend doctrines and understanding given to you by church authorities.<br />
Try to be silent and tender when you have The Book in your hands.<br />
Do not argue about it.<br />
Do not make it leather for the heights of your EGO, but use it for reaching the heights of Love.</p>
<p>That’s all I can say, my friend.<br />
I can not give you references from English sources, because I am Bulgarian.<br />
Try to find them yourself.</p>
<blockquote><p>If you’re telling people to discount what amounts to about 200 words, phrases, or entire verses as being simply uninspired additions, then you are carrying a rather large burden of proof.</p></blockquote>
<p>Why!?<br />
Did I say that there is no God?<br />
Did I say that Jesus is not Sun of God?<br />
Did I use it to teach you not to believe in God?<br />
I’m simply pointing out wrong interpretations of the Bible.</p>
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